So Who Else Needs A Guild?
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Admin on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 30 Comments Tags: Frostmane, Keal'thas, Vashj, guilds, raids
Admin on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 30 Comments Tags: Frostmane, Keal'thas, Vashj, guilds, raids 
I've been playing WoW for sometime now and I have been fortunate to have been in a very good guild. I say have because they disbanded months and months ago and I'm still looking for another one that raids later on my server Frostmane.We raided everything up to BT/Hyjal and then it fell apart one weekend over... well... over some real BS that I won't go into detail about here. All I will say is that I'm not in either of the two or three pick-up guilds that formed out of respect for some of the people I know who joined 'opposing' guilds.
Here's a couple rants for this post, in no particular order:
1. Why can't I see what time it is on a server compared to my local RL time zone before I make a character? Did I miss something? Is there some place that Blizzard tells you what time zone each server is in?
Why is this so frustrating? Because, even though I have the gear and even though I have the experience in Hyjal and BT and even though there are some guilds that I could apply for, they all raid too early for me and my RL job here at Project Lore.
Of course, later I found this fantastic link which would have saved me hours in-game looking for progression guilds because at least I would have known what RL time zone my server was in before I made my toon. I'm in LA on a Chicago-time server that used to have a guild that raided midnight NY time. Ugh!
And I can hear the crys now, 'Just switch servers.' No. Sorry. I do have loyalty. That and about five alts that make up my grinding / AH income that keeps me in money to raid... if I ever do again. Damn I want to kill Vashj and Keal'thas. I was there so many freakin' times but damn if the guild didn't destruct probably a week before it would have happened.
2. What is it with the emos in WoW? For me, an emo is an emotional person who /gquits if they don't get a raid invite or, worse, when they don't get to need on a blue drop that's five levels below their gear just so they can DE it for them self and end's up leaving party after the first boss kill. Really? WTF?
I'm here to play and play well. I'm here for PvP and PvE and progression raiding. I know my class. I know my roles in raid. And I know WTF to do and not do and when to do and not do it.
Btw - I'm cool with Loot by Need and maybe DKP if it's done right, but what gets me is the emo baby BS that turns ppl against each other over some f'kn drop that we'll all probably see in the next week or two. Okay, okay... rares like Ashes of A'lar or Fiery Warhorse's Reins might cause a stir, but really, what's the deal with /gquitting over a Primal Nether. Yes it happened and it was before you could buy them with badges.
So if you were ever in a guild that completely fell apart, what happened? How did it go down? And what was the real cause? Was it drama or just RL invading playtime? Let me know 'cause I'm sure you have some horror stories that absolutely top mine.
And if your on Frostmane and are looking for a well-geared, experienced raiding mage to raid late server time, let me know.
I just want to kick Vashj and Keal'thas' ass.
Reader Comments (30)
A side effect of the way WoW raids work: Raiders become insecure, and paranoid. Something can happen that they dont like and it can trigger a lot of negative backlash, which undermines and destroys guilds.
It's a matter of the limited amount of loot, the difficulty of getting a consistent group (and the importance of having one), and the difficulty of content demanding only the best performance from people (meaning gear lag = raid death) and individual selfishness.
"Whats in it for me?" nothing till you do the instance 10,000 times and everyone else in the guild gets stuff they want by which point they decide they have what They need therefore they're ready to move on, and you get stiffed. etc
hehe hello fellow frostmane denizen (altho im no filthy allie:P), i agree with ozzels cousin fred over here that its just an inherent part of raiding .. blame blizzard . i think theyve helped alot by increasing the amount of loot tokens for tierd gear that drops , and by adding badge gear that is quite comparable to bt/hyjal required gear.
but yeh .. the best guilds that survive have a very solid and undisputed loot system , usually a loot council , and tho this often favors certain people it ensures that the needy people get geared up roughly as much as the greedy people do if the guild is focused on progression .. the main problem that brings guilds apart .. or causes a split of a bunch of people .. is that people form cliques .. and as these cliques gain strength and get into the loot decisions .. shit hits the fan ..
also what is "too early" for you .. the server really only is "alive" for a certain period making raiding only viable in those hours .. so even if you found a guild that raids at your desired time .. they would be hard pressed for the majority of the best geared/experienced players that gravitate to the most active,professional guilds .. which mainly consider raiding late as "too demanding" as people have to sleep for work/school etc
I live in Australia so i really have the short end of the stick
i was lucky enough to get into a sunwell guild but they start raids at 6pm server time .. which is 9AM for me.. you must think im crazy , and by god youre right .. it is difficult heh but the benefits are worth it ..and i havent ruined my liver with coffee .... YET.
Had a rogue in my last guild /gquit.
He was an officer, and a friend to many. We were a guild finally clearing Kara every week, started to make progress in ZA and had Gruul/Mag killed. Our only issue was getting 25 people on at once and of those on, that would raid. (Our GM had been absent so as MT, I took it on myself to kinda steer the guild).
One night I surprise the guild. We going to attempt to clear out some trash in BT/MH. Nobody say this coming. During which he contacts me (he's in the raid) and says he'll be leaving us, that he's "sorry" but he isn't getting gear and needs a more progressed guild...
He had still been getting epics from us. And I well out geared him or anyone else in the guild for that matter. But it's about friends, not gear. He leaves us for a guild named "I wont name change". I say this because ironicly, the GM of that guild (a "SSC/TK guild" note the air quotes as they were a new guild) he transferred off the server for a more progressed guild thus killing the guild (like I said, ironic).
The rogue then wanted back in our guild, tried budding up with people but no one would have it. He was shunned and ended up in a guild that was still attempting to clear Kara.
Yup...I went through many guilds early on looking for one that fit with me until I finally just decided to just make make one. It was a great guild for about a year, basicly did nightly instances and the main group all worked around the same time, so all played about the same time after work (about midnight MST) and then I had one crapy month (well 5 weeks) where I couldn't really play because I had 5 people in my life die in 5 weeks and so I handed over GM to the person I founded the guild with whom had been in the same 3 guilds before that with me, trusting him to hand it back when I was able to play. Needless to say, I got booted from my own guild (not because of AFK, but because a new mage must not have liked my rogues hair color because he was telling lies about me and doing mean things to try to get his way weither by reporting to Blizz that the CO GM had bought gold (which he had when he was a "noob" on a different server but that was over a year before hand) and then told everyone I reported him and what not) In the end I got booted from MY guild, the CO GM got his main deleted for "buying gold" which he hadn't...
I was emotionaly destressed enough to where because the person whom I thought of as a friend backstabed me by believing a new person over me while already having a bad month I ended up deleting my main and rolling on a new server because I could not return to that character without becoming depressed. Anyways since then I have not been able to find a good guild since then... all that I have tried have either been inactive or a bunch of A Holes or run when I am at work, etc... I loved my guild that I had, my new main isnt going to be in an active guild because I rolled it on my original server and so I had it join my original guild I had made before swaping. but have a few others that I would play more often if I could find a good guild but so far no luck.
And no I am normaly not emotional, it was just the timing of it all was way to much stress to handle.... about a month after I deleted it I wished I hadn't... but I already lost my guild and many people I knew and so it was not the right time for me to be playing and since it was already guildless its not like I deleted it while it was in a guild.... in fact I am generally one whom people would consider emotionless and like I said it was just the timing of it all.
If anyone has a guild on Undermine(Alliance) looking for a prot pali or hunter (neither very geared yet, but know how to play well enough to where it wouldnt take long to get geared or Crushridge(horde) looking for a Mage... who like to run instances around 1230 (night) MT/1030pm ET I have 70s looking for instancing guilds.