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Episode 5.1: Botanica

Project Lore confronts Commander Sarannis in Heroic Tempest Keep - The Botanica. Will Project Lore take command in this fight or come up short? Check out the tank talk and of course, the first big boss fight in Heroic Botanica.

Reader Comments (39)

Orctastic 70 BM hunter
love the show keep it up guys doing great

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterwilliam

I like the addition about talking about class roles, esp u comparing pally vs warrior tanking. Good job guys!

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterkate

Yeah great ep, nice and long.

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterjimmy

awsome episode but if u guys finish a part of the episode early i would lov to hear more of that song*goggins* or a new song about a different character

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterspanishboi7

You should mention that if you have a priest in your group, you can MC the menders and get a massive spell damage buff for the group. It is amazing!

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBastosa

Really awesome episode guys its first class. I am a warrior tank also and I love the way you explained everything. Sure you could of explained like devastate and everything more but you did a good job on it. Keep it up guys I watch every episode the first day it comes out. I cant wait for 5.2

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJosh

haha, i love the episode :P

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterIlishan

On Pally-tanking vs warrior tanking - the comment made that pally tanking has trouble in longer fights because it relies on mana is, frankly, misleading. Spiritual Attunement at lvl 70 offers 10% of heals back as mana, like reverse rage.

If a warrior tank can't build any rage (outgears the instance), they can't generate any threat.

So "game over" for a pally if he has no mana, and "game over" for a warrior if he has no rage.

I would say that your comment would be more correct if you said "if a pally isn't getting hit by a mob(s), and thus isn't getting healed, he'll burn his mana off and soon have trouble."

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterChris

This, I think, was the best episode of Project Lore thus far. It was long enough to be a good chunk of entertainment, informative (I've never played a warrior tank so I know little about how they work), and just overall a well-balanced episode. Looking forward to 5.2!

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermasterinsan0

Again with the hole pally vs tanking.
chris is right. my main is a pally tank, and the only time i have trouble tanking is when i am not taking enough damage to be healed. because pally creat agro through holy damage, not only do they have consencreat. a"holy dps aoe" but there is also holy sheild and retrebution arua and advengers sheild.all again making more holy damage.
and also if a pally is getting low on mana he can through on seal wisdom.
as crisis said spirtual attument at 70 is 10% mana heal in to life, i am pritty sure there is some epic gear that makes that go up to 20%
NOW the only realy problem with pally tanks is silence.
is the pally tank is silenced then he cant cast no cast agro starts to fall, now this can be a problem on some bosses that have silnce and stun atacks or both.
well thats my bit in defence of pally tanks.

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterIan

I have three things to say about this episode:

1) By far the best episode yet

2) In the tank discussion, you completely left out druid tanks. The thing about tanking is this: Paladins are the best AoE tanks (multiple mobs), but lack in the single target tanking field. Druids are the best Single target mobs, but lack in Aoe Tanking. Warriors, on the other hand, are in the middle. They are good at both. I realize that none of you play druids in endgame (alex's alt doesn't count yet), but it would still be nice to have some input to hold up for the druids. My druid, who I believe is competenly geared to Lyle, has around 20000 hp and 27000 armor, which is why they make such good tanks.

3) Alex said "on the forums", which you guys don't have. Does this mean forums are coming?

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterToast

Hey guys, good episode - I'm glad you took some input into putting more discussion in the episodes because it rounds it out more and is informative. I'm a druid 70 tank, and didn't know much about the other tanks ups and downs. For druids as mentioned, we depend on rage to get aggro on multiple targets, constantly using taunts to grab adds. It's a bit tricky because you have to aggro one by one, unless you use challenging roar which has a long cooldown.

Awesome stuff, keep it up!

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRichard Hein

Excellent show. Tank talk adds a great new dynamic to the show. More of that please!

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBrian

Loved the new talk about certain mechanics. Keep up the great stuff.

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterLuke

Level 70 Prot warrior love these shows im a nervous tank and helps me out alot

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBen

Thank you for the tanking tips. wondering why u never use your sweet 3D monitors on the show. Standing meat shield ftw lol

August 11, 2008 | Unregistered Commentercraig

You are totally rad dudes... keep it up! :))
shnoooobins :D

August 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBogdan from Russia

Awsome vid. Nice and long :) 10/10

:D

August 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDoodimadrood

Hey ^^

I have a rhyme : Ore and a couple more : project lore ^^

August 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterTomcii

Ok. First of all, all I really want to say is, If a pally tank is tanking a boss, say Gruul, he will NOT run out of mana due to the fact that all paladins have a racial that when you take a heal, if it be overheal or raw heal, you gain mana equal to someod % of that. So please if your going to give out information about my class and spec. Make sure its right!

August 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterArkaatix

lvl 70 nervous tank thanks for these videos help me get over some of my worry while doing heroics awesome keep em coming lov e da show

August 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBen

BAD DRDARK! Tankadins really don't get oom that fast due to spiritual Attunement,which give 10% of the healing you receive back as mana,which in hard fights,is ALOT and OFTEN.Though this only helps for the actual heal,overhealing won't bring you back mana.Btw lyle seemed very nervous when you were talking about tanks,look at his hands/arms twitching.
The reason why palas aren't as often seen as tanks is because we need alot more avoidance to be sure not to be crushed,we need 74%(on bosslvls) while warriors are good with 30%(shieldblock) and druids just swallow the crushing blows with their high hitpoints/armor.
And warrior tanks,be afraid,be very avraid because wotlk will give us more threatmoves,for both 1target and 3.+ crushing blows will completly be removed against bosses,only mobs 4lvls higher can crush

August 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterReyson

Hey guys could you please turn down the music and effects? Or turn up the voices?
I'm one of few with a remote control for my PC but still, constanly fiddling with the volume is a bitch.

Normalize it please.

Keep up the entertainment.

August 12, 2008 | Unregistered Commentereagle

Wow enough jabs to the face about spiritual attunement, jesus. =P Great episode boys, i like the bit about tanking and all, had some SERIOUS dps going out haha. I'll probably hit up one of the instance's in the episode's you done and just let it play while vent is on.

"EFFTEEDUBLYA DPS"

August 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMichael

Great episode, once again. Like the other commenters I'd like to see more of that kind of discussion on class roles and skills etc.

For the future, it might be interesting to experiment running a special real-time episode? I appreciate the great editing, but it would be cool to hear the chatter and goings on in say a half hour episode. It sounds counterintuitive but it would actually be less work (no idea about your file size limitations though), just throwing the idea out there. Could have users vote on whether they like the format.

August 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterNick Halme

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