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btw people it is DUAL not DUEL, they are different words with different meanings.

it seems obvious that the change will help out (and def not solve) the lack of tank/healer issues. I also don't think it's going to be much of a problem for non-hybrid classes. In fact i think a lot more people are going to go for the pvp/pve duel spec choices. Simply cause unless you have experience tanking and healing in raids suddenly switching from dps to a MT/OT and a healer in a raid could cause some SERIOUS problems. Maybe not, but if people wanna do the whole tank/healer duel spec switch they better be prepared for what ppl are gonna ask of them in a 10 or 25 man.

I think it could help the tank and healer search problems, but at the same time I know plenty classes who can be a healer or tank but don't because they'd rather do damage. So even if they have the other spec for one of the two it doesn't mean they'll do it. This change isn't only for hybrid classes either, I know i was told many times that i would have to be affliction with my lock to run kara, but I usually played demo, so I think this will benefit everybody, but nothing will be fixed totally. Cant get rid of the qq'ers.

For the pure-dps classes like the Rogue and Warlock, they can play their favored spec two different ways; one solely for causing massive damage in PvE with little focus on defensive talents, or the usual PvP based spec that focuses more on survivability. It also allows them to test out another spec without having to respec every time.

The one thing I'm worried about is people trying to grab gear for both of their specs at the same time, because I know some people who would love that.

/Pushes Reeper off his soap box

There, that's better...

Anyways, I'm a Hunter and I don't think they'll ever do away with us in raids. I'm the highest dps in my very casual raiding guild by more than 300, and in any pugs it nearly the same. So, while I may run into the players that reallly know how what they're doing, a pure dps class, will hopefully always be better than a class that can do many rolls, such as a pally.

I beileve most you have valid points and concerns, but for me I think most of you guys have missed the point of dual spec. Brian (with the warlock post) is the example to my point, and that is about raiding. Yes, I get what everyone is talking about when it comes to PVP/PVE but if you guys can piece together everything we know about 3.1 you may come to realize that this new mechanic is due to the soon to be released content. We've been promised a lot with the new Uludar raid and it's many new fights, that it makes perfect sense for the need to switch roles per encounter is going to be the key to succes.

Now, being a Druid I will FULLY utilize all of my abilities allowing me to tank/heal, melee/caster dps or any two of the four druid abilities combined whenever my guild needs me as opposed to my usual Laser Chicken diet.

For Example, Take HoS and HoL. HoS is favorable to caster and range dps classes while HoL maybe more melee classes. And with those both being the starters into Uludar's story, it makes sense that this is a major reason for dual-spec.

Now, for the looting issues... Who DOESN'T use master looter in a raid??? I see NO issues at all with looting and dual spec. Plain and simple your main spec is priority, DUH! If your master looter doesn't know the difference between gear stats for a class then pick another one. Thanks guys I hope you're pickin' up what I'm puttin' down.

I would like to start by saying I see your point. It sucks for those DPS classes who don't do both PvP/PvE content. But the majority of well-rounded and skilled DPS players I know cannot wait. Take one of my really close friends who's main is a rogue. He has his Black Proto drake achievement and yet is able to maintain a solid 2k 2v2 arena team. So, every Tuesday, he respecs from his PvP back to his PvE spec, and then once raids are done on Wednesday, he specs back to his PvP spec. That's a lot of gold, let me tell you.

Another friend of mine, a DK in my guild, respecs constantly from PvP to PvE, probably more than he should, and has a respec total tab of over 2k g. This is probably one of the main reasons he does not have his epic flying training like the rest of us.

And then there is me, a holy paladin. I've done my fair share of raids and PvPing. But I don't fall for the respec trap - my job is to heal, and that is what I do, so I don't change my spec when I go from one to the other, even when people tell me I would perform much better if I were to have. The PvP/PvE respec isn't what excites me about this change. It is being able to go ret.

What the hell, right? A holy paladin, a saver of lives, wanting to go ret? The face-roll, forehead-on-keyboard-two-shot class? Yes. I'm holy. Do you know how much it sucks to quest in Northrend, and even Outlands, and to be a healer? So of you may not agree with me, but I have a very decent Ret offspec set sitting in my bank, unused, because I am usually called on to heal this heroic or that 10-man raid. It just would not be cost effective. I can do my basic amount of dailies as holy fine, but seeing the prospect of switching on my ret gear and face-rolling the Scourge in Icecrown makes me want this more and more every day.

My vote is yes for Dual-Spec, 3.1.

having the new dual spec thingy to be out soon is exciting but i really think that blizzard should like make in in a way so that players wouldnt really be able to switch specs so often till it becomes like hybrids are everywhere. What i was thinking that they could have setbacks like pros and cons for dual spec-ing in the sense that u Major in a spec and sort of Minor in another. An that "cooldowns" would be implemented for interchanging the specs so very often.

In regard to pohs comment:
You have to have a Lexicon of power to switch, also people who have inscription can make a portable one, but as I understand it , it will have a long cooldown so you can't switch all the time that easily.

Basically it allows for people like one of my guilds priests to, if need be, switch from being a spriest to a healer, and one of our warriors to go from his normal dps roll to tank without me dropping a port and the lock summoning them back after they cash on respecing.

I don't see it becoming a big issue, at least in my guild.

as a resto druid this new dual spec is going to be VERY good for me. i am unable to do dailys as resto because of my low DPS and low health, with the new duel spec i wont have to pay the amount i get from dailys to respec back and forth from balance to resto. now ill have to pay a 1 time fee to be able to dailys while doing heroics/raids without paying the constant 50g

i think they should just scrap dual spec and make re-speccing free. seriously why should we have to pay to respec anyway? Blizzard doesnt have to make us work for EVERYTHING. and as far as the comment of "who would u rather take, a pure dps or someone who can respec heals if a healer leaves." well you still need to have the gear. paying to respec and collecting 2 (sometimes 3; maybe even 4 if ur a druid) sets of gear takes some of the fun out of being a hybrid, as it is much more expensive and its difficult/time consuming to level holy or resto or prot. and face it, 9/10 people who play a hybrid class switch specs often.

well dude i rly think ur right bout the gear... as a hunter ill always lose my gear to shammys that want to dps

Well the face that remains to be unseen is that this is going to cost your character an assload to do. Everything that is new and exciting to wow takes time and money and then when you finally get there it either sucks or has some limiting factor. But everyone will want this and i am sure guilds will start equiring this. So if you don't quite have enough for that epic mount yet you might wanna pull out the old 60%er and beat a few more years out of it.

answer me this:

Who spend more time looking for healers people in lower level instances or higher level instances? Who will dual spec benefit more higher levels players or lower level players in the long run? Who spends the most money on respecing and during what levels (hint: healers/tanks and lower levels)?

I have a priest as my main and it bugs me that only lvl 80s can get it. They say they will may change it but i doubt that. Also other people are saying that its cause it will get bugged well they can test it in PTR.

i have an 80 hunter and druid both dps the change would be awesome for my druid but not 4 my hunter

i'm a mage (duh, check my name) and i've heard loads of other mages saying "can't wait for dual spec" etc...

BUT i am not one of those mages. I'm a deep arcane spec, with points in frost just to get down to channeling (increased hit, decreased mana for all spells), and i constantly sit 1st-4th on the dps tables in raids, but i also do well in pvp with this same spec!! Why do i need dual spec? it's just going to hinder my groups when we get a fresh tank/healer for an instance who has made themselves a few blues/epics and thinks they can tank/heal heroics based on their gear - i can't stand bad healers, moreover, i HATE bad tanks.

So Koopa, i agree with you entirely.

I think, as far as fighting for loot goes, that you say what you want your main spec role to be and what you want your off-spec role to be (no matter how much time you spend in either role; or you could limit it to what role you have been playing in).

This is a nice addition because I'm tired of paying 200g a week just to be able to get into our guild's raids (a healer on 25man and a boomkin in 10man; I love both roles but I would like to just be a healer for both, but it doesn't always works out the way I want).

For people that have to fit multiple roles, this is a wonderous addition.

Of course it goes without saying that if you don't think you'll benefit from the Dual Spec, THEN DON'T WASTE YOUR GOLD. Stop complaining, save your gold for something else, and let us people that have been painfully awaiting Dual Spec have it.

I have both a hunter and a druid that share main time. I only PvP by accident and when forced by the game. I'm looking forward to Dual Spec for both.

My hunter is 80 and mid level Naxx geared. While not a hard core raider by any definition I do raid ... which means flexibility is vital. At the same time she is also my bread and butter money gatherer so both a grinding and a raiding spec will be very convenient. Given my time is in short bursts convenience is important.

My druid will be 80 this weekend and will either bounce between tank/healer or tank/caster as the guild needs. What better way to play with folks you like than by being able to be flexible without going "broke"?

WoW crossed the barrier between game and social club a long time ago. Maximizinf the amount of time we get to spend with friends is all it should really be about.

I only see the idea helping the guy with a lvl 40 preist, who wants to heal.
atm there are no lowbie grps, no tanks no healers everyone is specced to solo!

it is those same players that will wipe you due to lack of expreance, get cursed and go back to the dps they practiced.

a lvl 80 that cba to spend 50G, I couldnt care less .... blizzard making a system to get more tanks + healers...
... then making it too expencive for the ones we need to encourage both, lowbie atls, & mains.... a complete and total faliure of logic!

So I have taken my time to read each post on this board... Alas I have wasted my time.

I have 2 mains, a Pally and a hunter. So I think I grasp everyone's perspective on the situation.

My solution, stop crying. You are wasting your time bc this is something that WILL be implemented.

For my hunter, I will use this to be MM and Surv for raid utility. Not my fav thing, but something that I will do. Also provides pvp options depending on arena/bg.

On my pally I have over 5k gold in respec costs on the stats page, c'est la vie. I am a T7.5 tank and healer... This is my raid utility toon.

So no, honestly it is not going to be earth-shaking to have dual specs. But if you can't use it then why fight it?

Also this is simply stupid for lowbies as most hybrid classes can effectively heal/tank until at least 60 without spec'ing into it.

People just open your minds ffs.

i think dual spec is good for priest or druids that sometimes have to go a different spec in the raids caz we dont have enough healers or to many tanks for that one particully boss and what not.

but i dont really see the point for it with my hunter
other then to get an exotic pet with best...theres no real point with it. blizz should try to make it abit more useful for the pure dpser's so we can have some fun too.