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Amidaman, how can you actually compare the two?

I think the fact that the guy got his hands on a developer's item in the first place is bs and his excuse is even more bs. The permenant ban he was handed does seem a bit harsh, i think that blizz should have taken the wep away wiped the achivement lists of all who participated and taken away all the loot that the group had gotten in Uludar and any other raid that they had done with the wep.

@Amidamam: I understand that analogy, but, I still think that the ban was unecessary. Blizz is just trying to cover up an employee mistake! WTH Blizz, just reset achievs and items of that player down to the date of the mistake you did! It's as simple as that! Why so much ruckus for something that may happen always?
A huge company like Blizz has to assume their mistake and repare it, just this, nothing more! ¬¬'

GM made a mistake.
KC explioted the mistake to trivialize new content.
Maximum punnishment served.

exploit = cheat = ban.

QED

Bad things happen to stupid people. End of story.

A permanent ban may seem harsh, but I believe it was necessary on Blizzard's part to set an example of what happens to those who knowingly cheat (especially in this case, considering its magnitude). If Blizzard had only stripped away the achievements and equipment, I think it would have amounted to nothing more than a slap on the wrist because then it would become "yeah, I experienced all of the end-game content and only got the loot and brags taken away; no loss on my part".

And if the comment by supposedly the offender himself is true... Yeah, nothing comes close to our culture when we prop up bad behavior on a pedestal.

its blizzards fault for giving it to him i dont think they should ban him.

1st: I love how they used a MTG card for teh banhammer on this article ^_^

2nd: Cmon. If you seen something like this, theres no way you wouldn't use it AT LEAST ONCE. Just to see if it works man. Think about it. What would you do? Own some dudes in BGs in 1 shot? It would be fun in my mind. Not sure if the permaban is worth it, but at least a good 1-3 month MAYBE. Blizz is stupid for even sending it to em. Their mistake, not his. No fault. Just take away the loot and the achievements. Geez, how bad can they mess up?

Instead of a ban, why didn't blizzard just take the item off him before he runs into the middle of WG fortress and 1shot everyone in sigh for massive honor ...

@Rok

Tempting, though, it would be to use it, I still wouldn't do it. As for Blizzard's part in the matter, yes, they messed up. But who's fault is it really? Blizzard made an honest snafu, but it was Karatechop's OWN CHOICE to use the item when he clearly knew what it was. If he had just said to a GM, "hey got this in the mail; can you take it back?", then he would be the guiltless party. Since that's not case, however...

Everywhere I have read no one has stated what is on my mind. This guy got the ultimate punishment and what did the IDIOT MORON STUPID ASS gm that sent the item to him in the first place get?

GM: "Sorry boss honest mistake."
Boss: "It's ok, it is the characters fault for using it, we will punish him, you are not at fault."

In conclusion, not everyone is honest, if you find a wallet on the ground and use the hundred bucks you found in it do you deserve the death penalty?

There really is no need for account deletion. Just take the weapon away, reset the stats and remove Ulduar achievements...if he looses a little in the process that is his punishment for doing what he did without informing a GM...and the GM should probably get a scolding

@cocopuff
blizzard cant remove ur macros and addons since its saved on your own computer

This is like a long while ago, the playing that kited Lord Kazzak when he was in Blasted Lands. The guy kited him all the way to Stormwind and Kazzak ran a much to the point the sever had to be restarted. That guy got o permaban to from the stories I hear.

In that case it was compleatly uncalledfor as far as I feel. He did something that the game let him do and got punshed for it.

In this case, still it harsh but closer. If its not really a hack and he got the item in error, strip him and his guild of anything they got, reset and re hand out achievements and mabe even ban him for awhile. All of that can be done, blizzard enjoys showing use just how much they can do at times, but there unhappy about haveing to do the work to do so.

But still, I can't feel bad for the guy. If you didn't know that this would be the outcome then you just wern't thinking. I could see mabey killing afew world mobs or something just for laughs, but running a new instance and getting achievement? Do you really think there not going to be any backlash for that?

I've read all the information I could find on the incident and I have to say I'm on Karatechop's side. I probably would have used it a little more subtly, but I still would have taken it out for a test drive. MMO champion has a good thread where someone who claims to be, and I believe is, Karatechop lays out the story and his motivations. He claims he wasn't going to do the real realm firsts like Algalon, as that would screw over the real bleeding edge raiders. Can't prove it, but it's thoughtful at least. Either way, a perma-ban would be BS; its Blizzard's mistake and one guy's fun night turned hellish.
As many have mentioned, it's a game. Multiplayer yes, but still a game. No world first's were given out, no stealing of glory. This got so blown out of proportion.

First of all, its Blizz's mistake. Second, if anyone should get banned it should be the GM who gave him the wepon. I just dont see how he could of done it by accident.

@john

Oh, so Karatechop is just some innocent little lamb that got eaten by a Blizzard wolf? I think not. As I have stated previously, it was his own choice. NO ONE FORCED HIM TO USE IT. I'm appalled at how so many of you think that Karatechop shouldn't be held responsible for what HE CHOSE to do.

I agree with alayea on this point, maybe Karatechop getting the martin fury was a fluke, and blizzard should really investigate on how it happened. However nobody forced him to use it. He must take full responsibility for using the item rather than reporting to a GM.

Meanwhile I think blizzard may've gone a little too far for his punishement. Karatechop should've been ban only if it was proved he had somewhat hacked the game to get the item, in which case a ban is more than deserved. However if he really had recieved the weapon via the ig mailing system I think a temp ban would've been sufficient

doesnt this kind of seem kinda like deathnote lol. Like Karate is Light and the item is the deathnote. idk just a thought

The ONLY scenario in which the perma-ban makes ANY sense to me is if, in fact, Karate got the item via hack. He has claimed repeatedly that this is not the case. HIS account of receiving the item has not changed. BLIZZ has not addressed how Karate got the item AT ALL. I tend to believe Karate on this end. I share Koopa's frustration with how Blizz can sit on the whole story here.

That being said, if Karate did get the item AFTER Blizz mailed it to someone then there's NO WAY he should get a perma-ban. I concede that the EULA and the TOS both contain language that allows Blizz to do this. That is not the point. The point is that if this all STARTED with a Blizz f-up, then no way should the punishment be permanent.

I only wish he'd killed Algalon with it and revealed part of the loot table. Although an Algalon kill would have driven the Ensidia boys into a state of clinical depression so maybe its best it didn't come to that. =P

I think it's a test of integrity. Presented with something that was obviously cheating, (it said on the tooltip it was cheating) Karatechop and guild failed to do the *right* thing and give it back.

Also, he wasnt very smart in using it. I mean, sure, do some hard acheivements. But not in a situation where no one else has done so. (ie Ulduar) And definitely not when youre in Naxx 10 gear.

Just my 2 cents.

i think it is 100% blizzards fault. if they did infact send this item accidentally then they are the only ones to blame. i think his achievements and etc should be reset but i think a ban is ridiculous. blizzard cant make that kinda of mistake and punish someone else for their mess up. they should apologize to the community and not let it happen again.

If he got the item as he says, tho obviously a developer item, in an email from Blizz and not a hack then i think a permaban is to much. I am sure there is a mention in the EULA and the TOS that allow Blizz the first born male child of any offender, or a permaban for this offense.. but maybe blues should at least post what happened and why.... is that too much to ask for instead of just pretending it didnt happen.

Of course I would never have... but if I got this item and told no one, used it on lesser quests after I contacted a ingame manager to report it... and in about a week when I got a response, would I be banned for life? Or any guildies that didnt know about it who joined me in a raid?

Just take his stuff, rep, items, achievements etc. Maybe a 1 month ban, JMHO

I personally think Karatechop deserves the ban, but Blizzard should let the WoW community know what the heck happened.

this guy was on ym server, imo if he was using the thing he desevres the ban...i mean really? you know that this thing is killing everything around you and yet you continue to use it just to get loot and achievements....to me it doesnt matter how he got the item...what matters is her used it and abused the hell out of it