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The fact that I saw Desolace turned verdant gives me hope for at least a somewhat new leveling experience, since I used to avoid it like the plague that would banhammer my Horde toons back to lvl 1 NE druids.

Since I entirely missed vanilla and tbc, I won't "miss" any of it though I still feel disappointed that I won't get a chance to do them. I've seen a couple while roflstomping them with a group of 80's. Need to make a point to go seperate Onyxia from her head before her revamp.

Overall, though, I've only been playing since a couple months before the release of Wrath and even I feel like old world is boring and bland and I fully support the face lift/transplant.

PS. Is your girlfriend a go-er?

PPS. Telling people NOT to do something is like giving them the gasoline and matches and saying, "But don't use them". You'd have been better off not mentioning it.

I'm actually really sad to see the old content go. I enjoy making new characters to run old content a different way.

I sadly missed alot of Outland so I am going back now and redoing it all now that I'm 80.

I wanna hop on my toons and go record the world before the change. So we can see the before and afters.

Can you say you are happy with how Old World leveling is? 20 level zones, jumbled quests snding you to 9 other zones, poor quest progression.

Cataclysm = Win.

Has anyone else noticed that while Deathwing explodes into the world a few miles north of Stormwind, the areas Blizzard showcases with massive changes are all in Kalimdor. So either Eastern Kindoms is so ravaged they didn't want to show us, and used lesser changes further away to demonstrate the idea, or Deathwing tiptoed out of Deepholm, flew over to Kalimdor, and then stuff started exploding. Ideas?

Well they are also revamping how many levels each zone covers, so leveling flows better. That would mean changing up a lot of quests and the mobs in the zone.

I think most of both continents is going to be heavily changed.

I will miss vanilla WoW as it is now, I'm an altoholic and I always had a blast revisiting all the zone I love with a passion. I never minded the awkward flow or the zones that other people hate because I love them.

But I'm also ready for a change with 5 toons level 70+. I guess I'll just fool around in Azeroth as it is now while I can, and save the rest of my toons for leveling in the new, and hopefully improved Azeroth.

My thing that would upset me is if older dungeons (such as Strathomle or Scholomance) or older raids( Like Zul'Gurub, Zul'Aman, or AQ to name afew) would be either takes out or revamped. Revamped is ok if they still leave a lower lvl version of it(like what they are now) but if they would take it out, people like myself who would like to get a old raid in to AQ for fun or even for ppl that lvl to get the drops would be left in the dust wanted the old world to back to. I understand the world WILL change, but we hope they will still have access to the old world dungeons/raids (Naxxramas is an example of a Revamp that worked, but i am sure there's many ways to mess up something that was good)

As a casual gamer who probably won't NEARLY have reached the classic endgame content by the time the expansion hits, I'm both excited and sad that I won't get to experience it. On the other hand... new stuff! Everything changed!

On the whole, as raids are not why I like to play WoW, I don't think I'll mind too terribly losing the vanilla content. After all - all these changes will make for some fun RP!

I have a harder time believing that Blizzard is "lazy" than I do believing you have a girlfriend.

I have taken a few alts into all of the leveling zone of the old world. I think I have seen it and done it enough to be happy with the changes. Some of the zones worked better then others I agree. I an one of those players who likes the run around the world quests. Some times you just get wrapped up in the quest lines story that it is ok to run like crazy and you usually get all the flight points with your exp. I am totally about the story more then anything. I like having to talk to NPC so-and-so to learn the next level of XX profession because he is the master. I think it adds lots of flavor. Just like the mount quests add something to the game.
Some of the old content I will be sad to see go. Some of those quest chains where really nice. I love the ones that lead you into a dungeen. I really liked the way outlands and Northrend flowed with the questlines. Northrend was over the top really. I know that Blizzard is ever changing just like the game that is why I welcome this.
I fear for the instance I also fear for some of the NPC. There are some that you just like seeing around or questing for. The thing is the game is not frozen in time. The game time keeps moving. This makes the world so much more really. Ok talking about real I still don't get how I make fire with out any supplies.

PS there is a web blog (TOO MANY ANNAS) they are putting together a photo gallery of the old world. I think this along with the old world instances would really rock for those whole love the old world!!

Koopa got burned!

A little of column A, a little of column B.

1.0 content just isn't up to par when it compares to 2.0 and 3.0 content. The old 40 man raids, if the encounters were tuned to max level, would still be ridiculously difficult compared to the current raid progression. Don't believe me? Get a pug and run AQ40.

1.0 content also lacks the benefit of experience the developers got from creating the content. The scattershot progression. The crappy rewards for globe trotting. 2.0 and 3.0 did a much better job of progressing both story and player through multiple zones. Doing the Grizzly Hills/Drak'tharon storyline that ultimately concludes in Zul'Drak is much better than the Test of Lore line that was all over the place with no real reason.

Lets be honest. If you woke up everyday and had to have your freshman attempt at story/design the first thing anyone saw after 5 years, wouldn't you jump at a chance to correct all your mistakes and make the experience better?

I do think certain parts of Blizzards design are lazy. The cut and past jobs of caves and ruins has always bothered me. When I went into the troll ruins in Grizzly Hills and got the same exact experience as a newbie Blood Elf in Ghostlands (complete with a nearly identical escort quest) I was a little miffed. I'd much rather they alter the asset just enough that it makes you think about the old content instead of being a carbon copy.

ive been going around on my druid taking screenshots of certain places in the world that are going to change...i spent alot of time lvling in the old zones (before they cut the xp down) so they are my stomping grounds lol....ill never forget the first time i stepped foot into auberdine and darkshore beyond it....long time ago lol

oh ya thats a good point in all the new lvling area maps they dont show the bottom of eastern kingdoms they cold have a few big changes there they said STV wont be a 15 lvl spot anymore so we dont know

You all know, who had more than 2/3 chars know that Ashenvale is boring (for example). I have all the Exodar questions till lvl 23 in my mind (with no Carbonite or Quest Helper). Obviously that no one could've done all the quests in all the places (if so, congrats), I'll miss it, but I hope this bring us more and more fun.

It's funny, about 2 months ago I pick my warr 80 to do achiev of Silverfang Keep, and bring with me some newbies. It was one of the cool moments in WOW in theses last few months to me, and the dungeon it's so nice. I though with me, UOOU it'll be nice if we have a 80lvl of this and the others dungeons. With Cataclysm announce what I read? New Silverfang Keep!!!! I like it a lot! :D

And the druid I was thinking and lvling was deleted. Why? I simply can't do the Teldrassil quests anymore, fu***ing boring. So? Comes Worgen druid :D

Note: Dwarf Shaman, Blood Elf Warrior, Taureen Paladin and some others combination, for me. Is ridiculous. :S

I admit; I'm a little heartbroken at the loss of the old content. While, intellectually, I know that this is good for the game and will breath some much-needed life into the playerbase, in my heart of hearts I am sad to see the old world 'go.' It's like I've told people. Think of it as growing up in a town, leaving it for a few years, then come back to see a volcano in your front lawn. No matter how many bad experiences you had in that house, no matter how happy you are to have moved on, you are SAD to see your past changed.

I do still enjoy leveling in the old zones but that's because I do it in small bursts. If I find myself getting tired of the content, I move on to do other things. Then I come back in the future when I'm no longer tired and see everything with those nostolgic eyes. 'Man, remember when we did this for the first time? What an experience!'

As for the lazy argument, I'd say that reworking all your old content is about the exact opposite of lazy. Tearing apart and re-designing nearly every zone, quest and NPC is something that takes a substantial amount of time. One might ask "why not just start up WoW 2 instead?" And someone has to go back through and make sure all the quests make sense with the new lore. Lazy? Hardly. Creating a constantly expanding world is lazy because you just keep making new stuff up. No need to go back and adjust.

I started playing WoW somewhere around 3.0.2, so I never really got a chance to experience Vanilla WoW (except for my questing here and there) and even less TBC since you level so fast there now, and are ushered out as soon as you reach 68.
I do not however see this as making me be unable to experience it. I see these changes as a way of making me experience it in a way that Blizzard feels would be better. As I level, I will see both much nicer looking surrounding and also a smoother levelling process. I have experienced the zones enough and though I have never experienced Deep Breath when it was hard, or the necessity of not doing a Leeroy Jenkins in BWL, or even the lowly thrill of completing the Deadmines as a first instance with a few friendly PuGers. (yup, I've only ever gone there at high levels) I will now be able to actually try these things at a proper difficulty level (well not leeroy, but the other 2) and also see what changes have been made to the landscape.
IMO bring on Cataclysm!

PS I can keep your girlfriend out of my comment, but I can't keep her out of my bed.

PPS 1. I apologise 2. It's not my fault, you completely asked for it - See Agadax's comment 3. I understand the irony in the whole 'I can keep you girlfriend out of my comment' in that I have by stating such put her into my comment, but shhhh! =P

@ Music-chan: your example of the old house is the same way i feel about the upcoming changes.

For me to experience the new content, i'll have to delete some of my low lvl alts. Altough i will miss the old "old" world, i'll keep a positive attitude towards the next expansion.

PS: sorry about my spelling.

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