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can't wait to see the final battle w/ mal-ganis!

Great to see Dorkins back at the top of the damage meter, beating a ret pally as well really nice.

Great episode! That was awesome

You know, I was always blamed for killing the group or whatever, or just dying frequently in this god foresaken instance. This subsequently made me feel so shitty about tanking and playing my tank character that I just gave it up and started playing my mage. Now that I see that my deaths were just normal (since Lyle had died a couple times too), I feel like I was cheated. I feel like the sentiments of my other teammates was unwarranted.

Thank you so much for showing me how it's played. I'm glad to know that I'm not actually a bad tank. I just ended up with an unsupportive bunch of expletives.

I love how you guys run this instance. It's going much smoother than my first time through. Pallies aren't much good at multi-target healing, made it tough when someone else got aggro.

I've just rolled a Paladin, and I started to level as Protection, but soon found out that people aren't interested in doing lowbie instances (RKF, WC etc.).
Then I respec'd to Retribution, and it's insane.
Hammer of Justice -> Judgement = 300 holy damage THERE'S NO HOLY RESISTANCE!) + melee swing (20% crit chance) about 350 = 650 damage in 1 sec.

Can't wait until I get the Crusader Strike, Avenged Wrath, Hammer of Warth or Divine Storm!

Just a question for you Winterstrike, since in this instance you're central: I've read many different guides for leveling a Paladin, and they says: Level as Retribution until level 35, then respec Protection and AoE level.
Is this correct, or shall I continue as Retribution?

Awesome EP guys

Alex how can you see with all the scrolling text taking up the middle of the screen.

I would suggest "Mik Scrolling Battle Text" Mod. This makes the text go in a half circle around your character. (Left curve in bound and right curve out bound)

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/mik-scrolling-battle-text.aspx

@Arexor: I tried the whole Ret until 35, Prot until 50, back to Ret leveling scheme. Prot was a needed break from the incredibly boring Ret leveling style (Judge, wait 8 seconds, Judge) you have to deal with until CS, but I really didn't see the Amazing Prot AoE bump that people talk about. Of course I was leveling via quests, not grinding on wolves. You can do fine with either Ret or Prot at that level. The only thing you can't really do is Holy, and that is just because +Spellpower gear doesn't really exist for mail/plate before Outlands.

I tanked Uldaman as Holy a trillion years ago. Back when people had no idea what Holy Shock was and everybody just shoveled 11 points into Holy to grab Spiritual Focus, Illumination and Divine Favor.

Back on task: I didn't enjoy the Prot Leveling playstyle though, so YMMV. Also, this Acer laptop I'm rocking is really crummy, so pulling up 10,000 mobs drops my FPS down to the teens. Ugh. WTB Laptop with dedicated video memory, cheap.

@Lurkerknight

Culling of Strathholme is intense on all classes other than ret paladins. So it most likely wouldnt be your fault, however it is very easy to prevent a wipe or lost time. Being a resto shaman, the most important factor really is the heals, they have to be able to keep up there mana until the boss fights. If the tank is better geared out and dps can keep around 2000 each it relieves pressure on the healer, but the whole instance has dependancy on the healer really.

how did you guys loose two people on trash mobs? With how much you guys play you would think this would be a easy instance. but it does make this show entertaining to watch with how bad you guys are.

you guys dont seem as into it this week as gundrak and horde week, you wiped twice in places you usualy would have been fine. Anybody else think this could be filler footage because they had expected naxx to be ready by now?

Yep that death was really lame.And you guys admitted it already so no lies here.

Also this is coming from a lvl 67 hunter so i will also die when i get there if it makes you any happier.

Bring back the Hunter training guide. It rocks. Even for high level players that used to hack a lot in the old days. We sometimes forget the importance of some of the spells we don't use in our attack routine.

Or even expand it to other classes.That would also be very cool.

Keep up the good work.

Ps:This is my only fix on WOW while i work so bring me some juicy stuff.It is still 5 weeks more until i play again.

@ Lurkerknight I did it on my tank on regular with about 2 other 80's and two 79's (One being the healer.) Everything was fine and smooth until we did the event up to Mal'ganis and we kept dying at one point. After the third time the healer goes, "Why don't we get a tank that's up to lvl." Oh bad idea to say that to not only the tank but the group leader. I kept quiet to the group but I really wanted to say, "How about we get a Priest that knows how to heal?" Greater healing EVERYONE to get over heal credits or some BS! Never once saw a Flash heal, renew, even a CoH to get the small amount of healing for the group done. I was always popping the DK's healing... Blood something or other.

So it's not always the tank's fault. Sometimes you get a bad healer too.

Only time a wipe is "because" of a tank is because of two things, the tank only did threat on one of the targets forgeting to keep up threat on additional adds letting everyone else get hit, or because of being severaly under geared and so getting crited every other hit.

Tanks job = hold threat on as many adds as needed
DPS job = kill fast enough to where healer doesn't OOM
Healers job = everyone alive by having good hps and hpm (healing per mana) focusing mainly on the tank, if some AoE is about to kill the tank and dps and you only have time to heal one you go for the one that doesn't get 3 shoted. The rest is trying to keep over heals to a minimum so that you don't go OOM

Healing is the hardest to master both the timing and mana efficiency. Tank's hardest part is learning how threat works and when to use which rotation, but not near as hard as healing. And as for DPS either you know how to do it or you don't and well if your dps isn't good enough a healer will eventualy go OOM so it can be just as much DPS fault as tank or healer. The scale in dps I have seen between good players and bad players, using a DK as an example, 2 DKs in the same gear, 1 has played many paladins for many years and so understands the mechanics of the class, the other played a mage and never played the base class before jumping in, in same gear at 72 the person who knows the class does about 1100-1300 dps even while tanking in frost pressence, the one who doesn't know the class can only do about 500-700 in blood/unholy pressences ... nearly double the dps in the tanking press just flat from knowing how to do it. So yes dps can cause the wipe just as well if they never learned their class mechanics (which lots of people don't)

oh and incase you didn't understand my comment it was in reply to "So it’s not always the tank’s fault. Sometimes you get a bad healer too.", as if wipes are only ever tanks or healers faults... my point was sometimes it's not the tank or healers fault but rather the DPS (rarer to see then just under geared tank but it does happen)

"not nearly as hard as healing"

I lol'ed.

It's not a lady, didn't notice the beard? lol
It's a necromancer

@Lurkerknight

In this case, unfortunately it Was Lyle's fault. It seems like he's still learning for some reason and not utilizing all his abilities. I'd honestly Not pick up tip's from this, and try someplace like Tankspot.com.

And Lyle, really gotta learn 2 thing's man.

1. Don't mark Every single mob, it's slow, and it kills time, and in wrath on a Timed run, really pointless.

2. Keep your hand's on Cooldown button's. A Fact of situational awareness is noticing What's happening and what's about to happen. Noticing that Juggy was in chain's and hitting a Shield wall or Last Stand would have most likely saved that first wipe.

Now I'm not saying your Bad, just learnning.

Lyle isn't bad, but he's not really what I'd call good either.

He keyboard turns, doesn't show health bars, and doesn't use his defensive cooldowns.

Same goes for Winterstrike, he's terribly slow in getting to position, although maybe this is an artifact of Lyle's threat. The keyboard turning certainly doesn't help.

But DPS has a pretty easy time in CoS, it's all up to the tank and the healer.

I've tanked it as a warrior in a 4-man run, none of whom ever passed 2k DPS, and we made the drake with 1 minute to spare. Because you don't stop, you don't mark anything but the skull, and you don't die on single target bosses when you could shield wall + last stand + enraged regen.

I thaught the last episodes was a bit short. But godda love Dorkins, he is an immense guy! From a fellow player!

It sucks that we don't get to see the roll between Alex and Josh now :(... oh well.

Keep up the good show guys can't wait to see some raid content.

I'm getting a bit tired of the people who comment only to critique the guys that are playing for fun, letting us ride along with them, and have lives outside of WoW. If you think you can do better, prove it by generating video that demonstrates your better technique, if you have constructive criticism, by all means give it, but learn diplomacy. Everyone can make a mistake, in some of these types of fights the sheer number of mobs can cause some things to go wrong. All in all I have enjoyed everything from this site, I see stuff I would do differently, that's the beauty of life, we all have our own way of doing things. We all play the game a little differently, if everyone did everything the exact same way, we may as well sit back and watch cut-scene after cut-scene and not touch the keyboard at all.

One thing for the hunters, chain your vollies together a little bit smoother and your dps will go up considerably. You can click on the volley button while your last one is still firing and have it placed and ready to execute when the first finishes.

I keyboard turn. It doesn't really hinder me as a tank.