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aye, the raids have been extremely nefed and all classes extremely buffed, but a BT cleared PuG? wow! get's me thinking if I should make 1 :-P

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Mikesmit (EU Aszune)

i agree... me and my guild havent beatin Supremus just yet, but saturday night we ran all the way and downed mister Illidan... first on every boss after Sup... in one night!

we're starting SWP tomorrow and will seriously go all of the way i think... our tanks and healers have taken an extreme advance of 3.0.2 and we kill SSC like it were Kara on a lazy night oO

This was kind of a disappointing change. My guild was on illidan and archi attempts before this change went in, but we ended up downing them both in one night.

I understood that a lot of these changes were due to raid and class mechanic changes, but it's pretty absurd how easy the content is now. Oh well, we're still going to take advantage of it.

I pugged Kara on my new alt and we easily downed Prince.

Did you all know they are buffing paladins again next patch.

It's kind of like what they did with druids when they where op. They just kept buffing them.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=21886.0

Also check out the rogues. How does three ambushes in a row sound... Are you kidding me.

hi i am a paladin tank and i have to say i agree with u i did the black temple and thort it easy and kara 2 and today when thorw zul'man like it was nothink but im taking advantage of it so i can gear up of wraith

I am loving the recent nerf of the instances. Cleared kara out in no time at all and I even brought my recently ding'd level 70 hunter to another kara and got some decent gear.

Also been in a Black Temple PuG and downed the first two bosses and got to start of the 3rd before everyone left. This new nerf to the instances is like a complete breath of fresh air to WoW for me, seems like a different game being able to experience all the content I never thought I would.

See, this doesn't really disappoint me so much as make me really, REALLY interested in the raid content of LK. Imagine what they're going to send at us to counter the over-powered people.

I think its good for people like me, who were only able to raid Kara, and the first couple of ZA bosses, due to timing conflicts and not being able to raid with a 25 man group.

Do I think it makes the achievement less? of course! But that doesn't mean that I don't want to see all the fights that I can.

Before the patch I made a point to do a 40 man nax run before it was changed forever, and even at 70 some of the boss fights were hard (that being said, the boss fights that I did at 60 that seemed impossible were laughable).

I would love to see all of ZA, SSC, and TK, I doubt I'll be able to see BT or Hyjal.

Yes. I was part of the excutus /2 pug that cleared BT and got an offhand glaive. You have to be elitest with the pug and know the pulls and boss fights. It's not an everyday run of the mill pug.

As u said, we kinda knew what was being changed, but didn't really think of what it would do in the game itself.

My guild (small) has been able to join up with a couple other guilds and friends list and all weekend we were getting gear for peeps. Gruul's & Mag were toast. Missed the BT run, but I hear it went well. For fun we went into SP (reg) for a newly 70 alt with greens. No healer and 4 manned the place!! Shocked, but achievement done.

I am not sure about the 30% less health, but I try to look at it as we have access to lvl 80 abilities and with how peeps were able to prepare and gear up things do seem extremely easy. Hell we did H Slabs in an hour (that thing was a pain in Reg mode).

Ah, well, nice to see stuff that was taking forever to get into and will do as much as I can before they adjust things for WotLK.

Here's to farming HH for the mount and to the new stuff we are able to do. Thx Bliz!!

I think it is a good thing because it gives people who have a life outside of the game a chance to experience some of these high level raids and have them be fun. Instead of having them be a grinding ass whopping that makes you wonder if this is really just a second job.

The runs I have been on after the patch are more fun in my opinion. But I'm the type who just plays for fun not to prop up the inadequacies in my personal life through the accomplishments of my online avatar so to each his own.

My theory is Blizzard thinks people are going to stop playing even MORE of the old raids and dungeons so they made them easier for smaller (or less optimized) groups to get through.

Just because Blizzard nerfed the mobs' health by 30% doesn't automatically make the instances a free ride. Yourself and the other group members have to know what to do in a particular instance (and actually go through with it), and having at least blue eq is a given.

I'm just saying... >_>

hehe i know all about it i went with a pug and we downed illidan.. yes a pug did illidan .. and it wasnt to hard either.. 2 wipes and he was down

I totally agree with everything you wrote.

Sure, Blizzard nerfed raiding. And yes, people are whining.. but who cares! I love raiding.. I love that I can finally see some new content.

I just want to say to everyone out there who is whining about Blizzard nerfing everything - If you don't like it you don't have to play. Whine threads surely isn't going to change Blizzard's mind. So you can either live with it and think of the positive stuff or just quit playing lol.

Oh, and I love you guys. Not in a g*y way though.

I think it's pretty obvious that they want people to get to Lvl 70 and experience some of this content so they will want to move on to WotLK when it comes out. Blizzard has been handing out XP like it's candy on Halloween.

It does them no good for the update if only a small portion of the people are of a level that they can take advantage of WotLK. I think they learned a lot from the launch of BC.

As a casual player however I'm fine with it. The game isn't too easy ever and there is still challenge. There is ALWAYS something harder you could do if you need to kick it up a notch. I like being able to feel powerful for once and not have to play 40 hours a week.

Casual player endorsement!

Agreed David Fisher. I am using this time to lvl my alts, and farm resources.

An example? A 70 Mage and Huntard, ran me and a couple other lowbies (lvl 57 Shad Preist) thru Ramps. Cleared it easily in 15 mins. I was all for the XP but also dissappointed that it was so easy.

I actually hope this Uberness is just here for the transitional period, while people are getting used to the new mechanics. I'd put money on them leveling the playing field in a month...

My resto shammy alt did kara for the first time yesterday... without ANY experience of any heroics! and we cleared it lol... there were prob 3-4 first timers, including someone's mage friend who i think just turned 70 half an hour ago LOL

yeh.. i got some pretty sweet gear lol

ya i am a mage who pre patch had only done kara through curator. Tried gruuls but the raid wiped at 6% on gruul. I got in a pug for gruuls and mags. Cleared everything with no wipe. I did not die once. We even decided to go up to void reaver in TK and we got him on the second try. Not as cool as the peope pugging BT, but i never in a thousand years thought i would see any T5 content.

even with all that raiding in one night, not one single drop went my way, needless to say i was pissed

I went Gruul with a pug and we took all down easily... no wipes and some of the members had 400+dmg!
YAY!

Now, i don't agree with you at all, these are lvl 70 instances are they not? Soon the level cap will be 80 and what lvl 70 would want to spend months and months of their time to do lvl 70 instances? For gear that they will probably switch pretty soon with questgear?

Considering that there will soon be a new level cap there will obviusly be heroic lvl 80 instances to, 70 is of the past, look to the future!

And i'm not even 70 yet =_=....

For you it may "devalue" the encounter, but for someone else, a newly dinged lvl 70, that still has 10 levels to go, i think the new "nerfed" instances will make a whole lot more sense. Just be happy that you get a chance to see instaces you thought you'd never see!

My guild has been stuck on some encounters for months, these changes have made it possible for us to get some progression on content we never thought we'd see, so I don't mind. It may allow a bit of sloppiness but hey, wiggle room is something they took out of the game with TBC raid encounters anyway.

They'll rebalance a little more closer to wrath, but I enjoy not having to be overly picky about every pull and getting groups. It feels "right".

Besides who ever enjoyed taking 4 hours to clear Kara? It became a drag after a while. Cleared it in an hour and a half yesterday with my alt (for the first time ever). Fun times.

My guild has been saying "it's the most fun we've had raiding in months". Even when we were killing gorefiend in 2 FPS lag.

That would explain how the PUG i joined was able to beat 3 of the bosses at Magisters' Terrace (none of us had done it before and we were not even properly geared for it) unfortunately i had to go to class before we even got to Kael but i hope on getting to him over the weekend...

Although its easier it was still very fun and i had a blast; i never thought in a million years i would even get the opportunity to go to Mags or Kara. Tanks are very hard to find on my server so i'm looking forward to tanking some more end game stuff before Lich King is released.

While people who were experiencing high end raids may be utterly pissed at the thought of pugs and lesser geared players getting to the content they worked with a passion to get to; look at Onyxia, BWL, Naxx, AQ, and MC. How many people still went into this content once BC hit?

Im hoping this nerf will stay, first of all it will allow people to still go back and obtain drops (gear/profession) as well as gain raid experience learning how much fun it can be screaming at your monitor with more than 4 other people on the other side of the screen.

Personally I think that this move may keep players entering these encounters more often then the ones practically forgetten after BC's release, let alone those of us who currently enjoy going back to MC at 70 and taking out Rag for those endless wipes he supplied us pre-bc.

I think that this nerf is great! Yes, things may be overpowered and easy, but I think this is maybe Blizzard's attempt to give people who have never raided an a shot at seeing how a 25-man goes. Also give them a shot at getting good gear before the expansion hits. I hope that they do not change this. And if you think about the overpoweredness at the moment, don't you think while leveling to 80 all of it is going to balance itself out? Yeah, it will. I love this new patch and I hope they keep it kicking until after the release.