When Do You Call It A Night?
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iTZKooPA on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 37 Comments Tags: calling it a night, fail, grobbulus, naxxramas, pugs, raiding, wiping
iTZKooPA on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 37 Comments Tags: calling it a night, fail, grobbulus, naxxramas, pugs, raiding, wiping 
PUGing can be a brutal experience. The lack of coordination, responsibility and inability to read a player's worth is a soul-draining experience. A few bad Heroics or 10-man Naxx's can force even the most patient and understanding player to swear them off for good.
What happens when even your guild fails? What do you do then? QQ, abandon the "newbs" and find another guild? Hold out for the next raid and see if the situation is repeated? Go on a tirade in Ventrilo about how the tanks can't generate enough threat-per-second and that the healers don't know how to heal out of group? Sit there and cry? Or, do as I do, blog about it.
This past week, SolidSamm's new guild failed to down even one boss in 10-man Naxxramas one night. Yes, the same dungeon that is done by PUGs on a daily basis and that we fully cleared the week before, held us up. In all fairness, we did not have the normal group together. The raid was initially delayed an hour due to scheduling conflicts. At 8:30 PM we decided to go with the 10 we had online. The ragtag bunch included only two healers, one of which was our main tank on his fresh level 80 alt. Thus, the off tank became the main tank, and a feral druid had to take over the off tanking duties. We knew the night would be a tough one, but we all figured it was worth a shot.
Our first boss of the night was to be the poison spewing mob known as Grobbulus. Attempt one was a mess. I'll be honest and admit that I did not notice how poorly we were doing until only the tank and myself remained alive. From what I was told after I asked wtf happened, someone dropped a poison on the casters. The wipe was caused by an easily correctable mistake, so we ressed and went at the abomination a second time. While the second attempt got us to 8%, we still failed to drop the fat ass, causing the raid to be canceled for the night.
Eight percent. Grobbulus had less than a quarter million HP at that point and the raid was called. I hate repair bills as much as the next guy, but I hate leaving a boss up when he is killable even more. I voiced my opinion politely, but it was decided that due to the raid's composition, the undergeared healer, and the replacement off tank, things just weren't going to go our way. Yea, we may have been able to kill Grobb, but could we have gone any farther? Doubt it.
Two hours, 20 something gold, a collection of consumables, some additional gray hairs and I have nothing to show for half a nights work. I did get to play the sweet boyfriend and pretend I left the raid to hang out with the girlfriend. Brownie points for sure. How does your guild decide to call it a night, and under what circumstances?
Reader Comments (37)
1st of all: FIRST !
2nd: true
Grobb is my favourite boss in Naxx by far, my group for Naxx which is the same every week have all 10x raids on farm and pretty much have all of 25 too except sath 3D so we don't really have that problem any more but there's usually a group dedicated in my guild to teaching the new people in the guild all the tactics and I know they once spent an entire night on grobb to no prevail :D. Generally its a mutual feeling when to stop the raid, when people lose start losing interest like me last night. Jumping up and down on my pretty tiger while waiting for the Sath pull to come and accidental jumping straight into sath and wiping the entire raid on 25x lol - 500g to GB :(.
Nothing makes me more mad then when people don't understand simple concepts. I.E, The Thaddius fight on 25 man... Running from one side to another isn't that hard, but people manage to F**k it up and go the total opposite direction, causing an immediate wipe.
Learn your class, play smart, and pay attention. Don't sit back and become oblivious to the massive fail you have just caused for not doing the fight correctly
In my guild it's very diffrent. One night when we was trying to down maly for the first time we rading for 5 hours, with only minor breaks. But finally at 1 am, we got him, and i have never heard that much cheering over vent , was so awesome.
And then there is the raids u really wish u never signed for, where we wiped in 25 man a whole night ( 4 hours that is) on grob, due to people who havent read the stupid tactics, ..
There is gd days and bad days.. but in my guild we useually carry on till the raid is "officially" over.
/Sharmaax
Burning Steppes EU
This just kind of shows the degeneration process of WOTLK, and that people fail to relise how easy the dungeons are, just needing a little cordination, and an OT who knows where his taunt button is. Grobbulus is probobly the most cordinated fight of all(even over horsemen) and probobly wasnt the best idea to start off with him. But even still the only time a call should be implemented is if A, the dungeon has been cleared, B if everybody is out of gold from the repairs, try pre-BC where you were spending a good 7-9 hours on a single raid (sometimes on a single boss) and still willing to keep trying. Thats when you want to call it.
first time in naxx i had no idea what to do on grob when i got injected i kept asking the raid leader to clarify what he ment by run behind him but he just kept saying just run behind him not infront so i ok i run behind the boss and drop my little turd right in a cloud grob just laid needless to say i died and when your the off tank picking up the slimes thats bad needless to say the group wiped and i never spoke again into vent good news we got up to thaddius that night!
our guild calls it a night when we can't down the 1st boss and have to PuG more than 3 players in our guild run.
Our guild usually starts on spider wing cause it is the easiest. No point in starting on a harder wing when you know your group composition is and gear is not up to its normal levels. We normally call the raid for the night after our scheduled 4 hour window. Lately our main players haven't been showing up so we have had to do 10 man Naxx instead of 25 man =/. I even respecced tree to heal a 10 man so we could actually raid. It's annoying when people don't show up to raids, lol.
Micah, your raid leader should have at least asked if anyone didn't know the fight beforehand. Poor planning on his part!
Alex, I raid with a bunch of idiots and couldnt figure out Thaddius for like 7 attempts. It was quite ridiculous haha!
-Cork
Galakrond
7-9 hours thats nuts and your nuts if your willing to do that who has that much time and on one boss are you crazy i am yat to do naxx i just got in a guild capable of raiding
We've only run Naxx10 as a guild 3 times. The first time it was not a full clear, but we cleared everything up to Grobbulus. The second time around, we did a full clear which included one-shotting Saph and two-shotting KT. The third time around? A complete cluster. Each time we've run, it's a different group make-up and always includes 1-2 people who have never fully cleared Naxx.
It was tough to call it a night this past weekend, mainly because most of us KNOW that we can clear it (both with our current guild and previous ones before the server transfer).
But . . . it just wasn't clicking that night. Sometimes you've got good nights, sometimes you've got bad nights. We're wrapping up KT tonight and hopefully everyone's forgotten the frustration from the other night . . . and hopefully next week's run is a repeat of our first run or two, not this latest one.
i am known to insult people who fuck up my raid multiple times, solution= show me your achievement or get the fuck out
Actually, my guild, is the guild I created, and we're just getting active and lvling people up. Pretty soon though we'll be doing heroics. I'm just waiting for two or three more people to hit 80 and we're set there.
Though, in PuGs, it's a different story. I hate it when people call it a night after just two wipes on one or two bosses when it's the beginning of the lockout period, because now that we've easily downed a few bosses, why not go more?
Plus, another time, I was in a group and they kept me for one wing, with no problems. But then we started the next wing and twice off of trash, they decided to kick me for bad DPS. Why should I be kicked after helping easily down the first wing?
Anyways, good job guys.
Laeltis - Illidan Realm
Well, our first "Guild" raid on naxx was with 4-5 dps and a tank from our guild and rest was PUGged.
We tried to down Anub'Rekhan for five or six times without success, mainly because the MT healer was idiotic enough to position himself on the way of the Locus Swarm and got silenced. Also the our mage's computer was laggin so he didn't get to Frost Nova the corpse scarabs (He was sitting right next to me in the same room).
Even though I HAVE downed few of the bosses with my guild, raids have been on rare position since our guild MT decided to create his own little "Naxx raiders" guild and left us. So basically we call it a night when one of the PUGged healers or tanks leaves and we don't find a new one fast enough.
My guild doesn't really call it..... ever. I had class today at 9:55 in the morning and still my guild was giving me shit for wanting to go to bed at 1:00 even though we had just finally reached saph for this lockout period. In their defence we two shotted Saph. Horrible blizzards ;(. And one shotted KT. which landed me my mace and 5set with helm so all in all good night but im dead tired now.
I feel sorry for your marginalised girlfriend
cleared naxx10 with a pug this reset :o
Just make sure to only invite people with the fall of naxx achievement, its not that hard.
We go at it until we know for sure we will be unable to do it, or until people have to start going to bed.
Our first trouble was at the gear check, we called it a night after 8 wipes, when it was 11 for the people that had work the next morning. We kept at it though because we got him to 5% multiple times =)
Depends on guild overall so what I do would vary. Now with pugs if stupidity is high, same mistakes made over and over, warlocks rolling on epic plate/shields(I'll never forget the first epic drop I saw in vanilla and this happen) I just choose to press a couple of magic keys. Alt and F4 have been use quite a few times.
A wipe here and there is one thing, but wiping over and over on trash is a sign to get out.
"calling it a night" ..is something i never wanted to do, pugged or guild run!
months ago, even though i never held a high ranking position within the guild, i'd normally be the one to say, "InJustice Friends, ASSEMBLE!!!", especially when seeing 10 (25) or so end-game characters online doing random / daily / non-raid-related stuff.
i'd always try to make it a point to convince the raid group to venture on!
..so there, "calling it a night/day" is NEVER an option for this Shadow Priest!
hehe..
/cheers!
B-)
My guild calls it when we run out of people in the guild to replace the ones that left, or it is 4AM and some of us have work or school the next day.
Other than that we keep going at it.
Heroics on the other hand, after two wipes on a boss I leave. I don't care if it gets me saved for the day, I don't need to be putting more money into a heroic than I'll get out of it.
@Jasper
Wow, you sound spoiled. Why don't you try to solo Naxxramas, then? :b
My guild isn't all that geared to even do a 10-man, mainly because it's family-run and laid-back. So, as a healer, I'm always having to find a PUG for the 10/25 man stuff. And finding a PUG... not really a walk in the park.
By the way: Stay the %^$# away from the Did It For Whitney guild. They are full of arrogant, loot ninja-ing, trade chat spammers. (I'm not making this up. You can ask just about ask any of the 80s on Malfurion and they'll repeat what I've typed.)
Haha yeah that sucks big time, but u have to look at the good things. You must have got some creed for it from GF :D
I know this feeling all to well. Due to my small and inexperienced guild (which I am "forced" to stay in due to keeping conflicts happening irl) I am always forced to pug. It is a heart-breaking experience however when I join a raid with the majority being guild members and we have the same problem you did. Many times I've been forced to pay the bill, reapply consumables, layout another pig and start over for nothing to show for it...well, nothing gained to show for it anyhow. What's more, as a pugger, we usually end up taking most of the blame from whatever guild were joining with. They can cuss me all they want but I still don't see why it's my fault a tnak can't hold aggro or the healer can't heal, or someone dosn't know the meaning of "behind him". However, I've grew to the fact that there is nothing I can do about these facts and still go into every raid w/ a smile on my face, sure, I no longer have the confidence starting out like I once did, and I laugh at anyone on vent who says "lets go for the inmortal achievement", and i can now usually see if the raid is gonna work out right from the get go. So it's not all bad, i mean MAYBE one upgrade a week isn't as bad as it seems. I might get to do Uludar before the next expack. :D
Old Chinese proverb say;
Tank Dies, Healers Fault.
Healer Dies, Tanks Fault.
Dps Die, Dps Fault.
pretty much when your building your raid ask for an achievement i mean for a bunch of under geared people grob can be hellish and if people dont know the fight its a nuke ready to go off