Project Lore

I think Ulduar should stay how it is so the game basically takes more skill then gear updates and stuff..

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Ouch, bad news for someone who likes challenges.

ULDUAR IS SUPPOST TO BE HARD DONT NURF ITS PLZ.

seriously, so many people were complaining about all the other raids being easy and instead of fixing it they are going to add to the problem? who cares if people who suck arnt seeing the content. if they suck maybe they should get better and then go and see it. i hate going into a raid and seeing like 5 people in full greens. why should they get a fair shot at gear that i need when i have worked to get decent gear from heroics. give people who actually put time into the game a reward.

When my guild first went into Naxx, we walked through it, clearing it with ease and went from never seeing it before to farm status in two weeks.

On our maiden Uldaur voyage we wiped several times just downing Flame Leviathan, finally downed him and then gave Razorscale two very short, very disasterous attempts before calling it a night.

I have to say the challenge of Ulduar was a welcome change. When our hunter downed the behemoth with her bow after the last vehicle was destroyed there was an exhilaration never encountered in Naxx.

I for one am sad that they are nerfing Ulduar already (or at all fo that matter). I was looking forward to more challenges in upcoming weeks.

I'm think they should have left it harder, I enjoyed learning the new fights and such. However these are comments going to be a bit one sided. The average WoW gamer isn't on Projectlore nor spends the time like other groups to down Ulduar content. There is still plenty of challanges left in Ulduar with all the hard modes. I look forward to see more content like Ulduar in the future.

I might sound like an elitist asshole now, but I feel that if people complain about not being able to down bosses with ease they should not play WoW. That kind of behavior is just childish and sadly way too many people who play WoW has that kind of attitude.
Even though I agree with Blizzards philosophy that all players should be able to experience all encounters that doesn't mean that people should be able to walk into the hardest (atm) raid dungeon right after hitting 80 and expect to down bosses.
Let's say an average casual guild raids Ulduar 2-3 times a week for about 3-4 hours each raid. If those raids had people with full or almost full pre-3.1 25 man epics and they were wiping on the same boss for like 4-5 weeks in a row I would have understood the need for nerfing, but nerfing just because some undergeared, childish lootwhores can't play the game is just stupid.

Shame on you blizz =\ Ulduar was alright that way =\...

i aggree with everyone that says to leave it alone. i mean dam it. blizzard is going to do the same thing they did with kara...i remember people saying how hard kara is and now they made it super easy. i mean a guild i use to be in 3 man kara. i dont want to do the same with the raid. why dont people just stop there whining and bitching about dying so much. dying is part of this game if you dont like it tough shit and play a different game. i mean seriously how you suppose to learn how to play this game and learn how to play your class if blizzard just keeps making things easier for all of those that come in as a noobie. and if you keep dying in a raid or a heroic then someone isn't doing there job in your group or they are doing something too late. i have said what i wanted to say. im glad i quite this game forgot how many cry babies were in wow.

To all those that want a challenge that is why hard modes exist, but basic challenges should be avaliable to those that want to experience the content but are unable to meet certain challenges. My only concern with the existence of hard modes will be the balancing of the next major raids.

Since some guilds will not be able to clear all the hard content I wonder how blizzard will balance the progression of the next raid. Will guilds that can clear Ulduar hard modes be able to immediately try the new hard modes or will they have to start over in terms of difficulty leaving those that could not defeat them to further struggle in future content?

I agree with Barishi. The basic battles shouldnt feel impossible for people who cant spend 5 hours in a day raiding most of the time, and then when they are able to, they cant get through it all because its way too difficult. But on the other side with the people who are able to put time into the game and want a challenge they have the "Hard" modes. So then ppl arent just farming Ulduar like they do Naxx and the "Elite" or "Hardcore" players can still have a challenge so they dont feel like its just way too easy. Maybe they should even add a God mode, idk. But I think that the basics should be able to be run by the average player (but not by a fully green geared player, but u know what I mean) and for players who want that challenge they can turn up the heart in "Hard Mode". Thats just my opinion though.

have to say it's gotta be a challenge for blizzard to try and meet both spectrum- those who've been waiting for a challenge like ulduar and those who really would like to experience the content with out having to put a bunch of hours that they may or may not have into the instance.

on one hand the harder it is the more gratifying it is when you beat it. Then again, i myself am a casual raider.

Even still i think when it comes down to it, even as a casual raider i like a challenge, maybe the nerfs won't be as noticed, maybe they will. I just don't want it to be too easy.

Lame... nuf said.

No Fking Nerf's!

hell bliz should add another difficulty. LEGENDARY. make it like uberz hard, just for you holier than thou elitists. i personally havent gotten to Ulduar yet. im just now getting to Nax,so i dont know how hard it really is.

my guild killed ignis last week when he was hard it took us about 8 tries this week we 1 shotted with no deaths he was nerfed into the ground

how bout making a 5-man version of Ulduar instead, and leave the raid as it is... that lets casual gamers get the feel of the raid but just doing it as an instance with regular gear drops.

imo they should be leaving it roughly the way it is at the moment. its a good step increase in difficulty and im really hoping they make icecrown citadel the same as old school naxx.

its great that blizz wants every1 to be able to experience all the content and everything but they are making it all to easy.

gotta give credit to those that are skilled/hardcore by having it reflect in the gear they are able to obtain.

thats my two cents

Pathetic nerfs. One of the reasons why WoW ain't as great as is used to be before TBC. And one of the reasons why I don't miss playing it any more either :)
I sure didn't mind wiping night after night back then in BWL, at least killing a boss after many wipes was a real joy and something to be proud of. And all the lame hard-modes are a bad way of trying to cover the good old WoW days.

That nerfgun is AWSOME

Nerfs needed imo.

Fact is, wow is supposed to offer progression, take comparion so pre-wotlk.

Naxx = kara
Uldar = ZA

Currently the scale of progression is too steep, its more like SWP raid difficulty.

The problem is that WoW is a business to Blizzard more than a game, they want to ensure that it appeals to as many people as possible to bring in the cash. That said, nerfing it so soon after it was released does seem a tad excessive; perhaps another level of difficulty with massively reduced loot but with these proposed changes in would have been better.

I run heroics etc for the loot, but to be on your game and also stick to a timeframe you have to concentrate, and then you run the risk of missing things. Running things at low difficulty allows you more room to experience the environment without constantly running around and going through your rotations.

As a more casual player I may never see the inside of Ulduar first-hand, so a mode that would allow me to get in there with casual gear would be nice, but you definately shouldn't reward people as highly for doing it like that. Challenges define us by our ability to adapt and overcome them, and if I ever get there, I would expect a fully equipped Titan city to hand me my ass on a plate a couple of times :)

Guys there making it easier so that people can see the content, Blizzard is a company they do what makes the most money. Undergeared people were complaining because they never got into Kara. Thus the people who didn't get to see the content quit. They will make more money if they make content easier. There are way more people who didnt get to see Kara then peopel who did get to see Kara

Though it is sad to see nerfs already. I think the important point has been made above, hard modes are still available to those who want them. Judging by the fact that the top guilds on the world have been spending 3+ days per watcher and have yet to reach algon i think we can assume that there will be a real challenge for those who want it.