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Downsizing Dungeons

Blizzard's raiding model has seen its share of changes over the years. First, it was raids that catered to 10-man, 20-man, and even 40-man groups. Then, with Burning Crusade, a curious mix of 10s and the new 25-man raids. And now, with Wrath of the Lich King, dungeons that can accommodate runs 10 and 25 strong in tandem. Like so many other things in the game, the idea has been to make end-game content accessible to as many people as possible. But I think they're onto something else, something beyond the mere ability to PuG the toughest dungeons in the game.

You see, I think I've become addicted to 10-man raids. Forced into them due to low turnout from the membership, it's basically all our guild has been able to run lately. And you know what? I'm OK with that. I'm perfectly peachy. I've learned that the tighter, more intimate setup has led to a relatively stress-free experience.

I don't think I'm the only one, either. As my server's population plummets over the Summer (and I'm sure it must have on many of yours, as well), I've found that several notable raiding guilds have fully converted to lean, mean 10-man raiding machines.

It makes me think: would the whole game be better off this way?

The immediate results would be obvious. Less people to deal with means less fighting over gear, less drama, and less people to round up for the nightly raid. On the flip side, if the "drama dragon" rears its ugly head, the impact on a smaller guild could potentially be devastating. But I find that, out of all the people I've actually played this game with, I feel like I could trust oh, about, ten or fifteen of them, and that means that I can deal with the occasional outburst and tense situations between members can be more easily defused.

After all, the number one killer of WoW guilds isn't a raid boss, it's the "d-word." Urging guilds to operate on a more compact skill would be a long-term benefit for the health of the game, in my opinion, though that wouldn't help with cleaning up the messy business that would need to be carried out beforehand (I'm talking about trimming rosters and restructuring, which would no doubt leave many players homeless for awhile). The more people there are in a guild, the more they're going to feel devalued. When people feel devalued, they stir the pot to get noticed, and that's not good for anybody. It would be infinitely easier to understand what every person can bring to a raid when there are fewer bodies to consider.

Another thing to take into account would be difficulty. With the exception of several fights (like Grobbulus, where an exponential number of targets decreases the chance of any one person being afflicted by a poison cloud), most encounters are, indeed, harder in their 25-man versions. Currently, 10-mans seem to be tuned chiefly through tweaking of "soft" numbers (reducing the min-max damage of a boss' spell) or "hard" numbers (4 adds become 2, 2 adds become 1, etc.).
Karazhan, one of the most iconic raids in the game, also happens tuned for 10-player groups.

If 10-man raids were to suddenly become the standard, Blizzard would have to take a more careful approach tobuilding encounters. I feel as though they could create bosses with more interesting mechanics, or ones that at least require a lot more strategic planning. With ten people, you're forced to "do more with less," but when that number goes up, raiding becomes more about "how many people can you throw at the boss." If you ever went through one of the classic 40-man raids with a full group, you'd know how often players simply got lost in the shuffle. Not to mention the problems with gear distribution. It could take ages to win a single upgrade!

Besides, some of my best memories come from 10-mans. Countless runs through the atmospheric ruins of Karazhan or intense bear mount attempts (came as close as one minute) in Zul'Aman are among my favorite experiences in the game.

All of this may sound strange coming from me, someone who just recommended not too long ago that Blizzard super-size their battlegrounds. While that may work for a grand melee, I feel that smaller raids empower individual players and make the experience a whole lot more fun for everybody involved. After all, it just seems kind of weird to march into a "dungeon" with an entire army. Haven't you always wanted to be "that guy," the one who just saved the world from utter annihilation?

Making this sort of change, permanently scaling down the size of dungeons, would no doubt cause a temporary uproar in the community as guilds deal with shifting membership, but I honestly think it would help maintain the health of the game in the long-term.

What do you think, perusers of Project Lore? My opinions on game design have historically been controversial, focusing on streamlined, semi-linear experiences. Do you agree that 10-man raiding is a viable prospect for the future of the game, or is it always better to have more options, even if that means diluting certain parts of the game (i.e. forcing the designers to effectively double their workload when producing both 10 and 25-man versions)? The comment section is, as always, open. I leave the floor to you!

Reader Comments (29)

I would much prefer to raid in smaller groups like 10 or 25 mans. ive done 40 man raids, and they were fun but the smaller ones allow for everyone to get loot. In 40 man raids more than half the raid is left out and leaving the raid wiith nothing but the "experience". smaller raids like 10 and 25 mans are alot more fun and rewarding than the big 40 mans of the past

June 27, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterkevin

i agree tht 10 mans r more fun thn 25 mans bcause less ppl..however....i rememeber the old 40 mans tht were epic to say the least....the bosses were legedary.....Patchwerk could cut through a raid like a hot knife through butter....onxyia could 1shot a tank if u werent careful.....the battles were truly amazing...thts the were bigger is better....40's were huge in length and scale.....a trash mob could wipe a raid!!! there was no such thing as PUG raids....ik blizz is tryin 2 cater more 2 the casuals now...but thy hav 4gotten bout the hardcoree

June 27, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterl33tadin

I think that leaving both 10 and 25 man raid capabilities open is the way forward. If a guild decides they only want to run 10mans, that's fine. But if a guild decide they want to run 25 mans, that option is there for them. Everyones happy then :D

June 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterKordetta

While I do agree that 10 and 25 man are good to have for the Hardcore and the Casual, I'm not exactly sure how I could get any further if I was only able to do 10-mans.

I've exhausted all my heroism rewards, so nothing can come of that and all I keep hearing is that I'm "ready for Naxx 25 man" Well what else can I do?

I've done OS and VoA on 10 man, but there's no way in HELL that those two dungeons alone have enough loot to upgrade my level to that of Ulduar or the Eye, which I'm assumming is on a different 10 man level or so I've heard

I might be jumping to conclusions a bit, but to me it seems like to get any further, to say The Eye or Ulduar 10 mans, I'd HAVE to run a 25 man raid. Would this statement be even slightly true, or am I way off?

June 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterWonocva

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