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I began my days of wow about 6 weeks ago on a pvp Server (Executus)....

I leveled my toon to about 30 in 2-3 weeks and was constantly ganked when in any neutral zone, Southshore, Stranglehorn Etc....

I was so fed up wtih this that I left that server, to join a friends normal server (Thrall).

I have since (for the last 4 weeks) leveled another toon all the way up to 53. I have not yet ganked anyone and have vowed never to do it. I don't understand it at all. There is no glory in slaughtering someone 30, 40, or 50 levels below your rank. If you want to Duel then fine, your opponent willingly accepts your challenge and it's consequences.

I have in fact on three occasions during my short time with WoW helped horde players while questing.

I do not understand the pleasure of ganking and will NOT participate in such a shameful act.

Just my 2 cents.

I must say, that's probably why I rolled on a Rp server. lol

They probably like ganking people because they want to feel good that 'low level' alliance alts don't have a chance in hell to level in the area they are camping. lol

It's probably going to get worse on Wrath of the Lich King, soon you'll have lv 80s coming after you and ganking you for the same reason that they did it as a level 70.

It seems that all Gankers usually stay in STV or any of the other real big 'Contested' zones that have a lot of quests for Alliance or Horde.

Even though if I had an alt or main I wouldn't want to gank someone lower than me anyway. To bad there isn't a rule you can't camp someone's corpse but pvp servers have their rules, it's somewhat funny I don't RP on a RP server. lol

Very true Bastosta. People have too much time on their hands and find it necessary to foul your attempts at progression

I wonder it as well. While I am not on a PvP server I tend to leave my PvP up. (much to the dismay of my party when being summoned to an instance and then getting ganked).

When you are at lvl it might be fun for a bit as it gets to be a challenge to beat the other. I have run accross those that will let me respawn and heal up then go at it. But having those lvl 70's camp forever doesn't make much sense either. Surely they have something better to do then to kill poor little ol me that is lucky to get one hit in before eating dirt.

i think most of the high level gankers, gank low level player because they got ganked when they where leveling.
now when the low level players reach level 70 they will gank other lower level players and so on and on until blizzard closes WoW...

And that is the circle of life. haaa.....
(this doesn't mean that if you got ganked you wil gank though)

My god i remember those days when leveling on a pvp server....took me half a year to get my priest to 70 on Crushridge....

I dont know what it is but if your a clothie its like having every ally character have your location 24/7 and yes my priest is horde. I would have to log out dead in STV for days on end because each time I logged on they were there...its like they knew.

So now Im happy with my two alliance characters who are 70 on Argent Dawn.

Oh and never once have I gone and ganked lower levels....though its funny when I was on my priest at lvl 70 and heading to STV....everyone expected me to kill other gankers...come on...a priest killing a different class....Im a great healer but pvper....cant do it even if my life was on the line.

I had thought the same exact thing while I was on my pvp server ( Scilla). Of course I'm a nice guy so decided to try and be nice to them. Whenever I had a team they'ed say "Hey, a horde! Let's go kill it!" and i'd says something like, oh no there just another player doing quests, so leave them alone. And after the rude comments from my team i'd get kicked. Which is why I switched to an RP relm! And Oh My God things are so much better. Anyways my main point is don't gank lower lvl players. Its really really stupid and it gets you nothing.

They could just be the boring hard-up jerks

Or they could also be bored, killing time, waiting for a raid to start up, doing the explore achievement or other achievements in the area...

I agree, it's like they know they can't kill ppl the same level so they just go after characters 30-40 levels lower just for ''fun''.

I wish people would just work together and leave eachother alone and let them to their quests.

At one point i was so tired of getting ganked, i got my lvl 70 and i camped the shit out of the guy.

Revenge is sweet.

It could be worse, they are just Grievers. lol

They aren't making it fun for you, while laughing to themselves saying they are doing the right thing. Or they are making sure the person they gank, gank their lower alt character, so they have a Reason to gank you. lol

I roled in a pvp server (Bloodscalp), and of course i've been ganked a a lot, btw i roled alliance. And, i got to say though i'm quite sure there is ganking from both sides. It's inevitable. the people that seem to have the most time are always Horde. and this not only happens at STV, but also at hellfire peninnsula, u got full tier 6 horde just camping the colliseum, and destroying low 60 on a whim. And i want to clarify, im not whining i did make it to 70 and gearing on, i'm just describing a tendency at my server.

Well for one, corpse camping is a reportable offense (I don't know if that has been mentioned) even on a pvp server. Personally I play on a pve server, just because of coilfang reservoir, if I had a knickle for every time I had to call an underbog run because the horde were waiting to do SSC I wouldn't be selling my blood to renew my subscription.

On the other hand, when I see a lowbie horde that is flagged in westfall, yeah I'm going to kill him, but thats what they get for running around flagged. I'm not going to camp them, but they will have to spend some time in ghost form, hopefully they won't let it happen again.

Having played on both a PvP and currently a PvE realm, I think I can help explain. PvP realms are notorius for the "revenge" mentality. (Kind of like society in general, *cough* wars *cough*, but that's another story). Scenario. Bobby is currently questing and leveling his lvl 30 paladin, he is being camped by Johnny who is a level 60 rogue. Bobby is fairly persistent, so after being camped and killed, repeatedly for 15 minutes, Johnny finally leaves. Much later in his WoW career, Bobby is now a stronger level 60 character. One day Bobby is bored, and remembers how pissed off he was at being camped by that one guy, if there was only a way Bobby could gain some sort of revenge. I think we all know what happens next...

Unfortunately this mentality plays out over, and over and over again. Coming from someone who has several level 70's (all who are now on a PvE realm thankfully), I can definetly relate to your experience, as I first rolled on a PvP realm. Sadly, many players have a "backup" 70, located IN the zone they are leveling their alts, for that exact reason.

Blizzard is now offering an entire zone in WoTLK (Wintersgrasp), dedicated to PvP (whether you rolled on a PvE or PvP realm). I personally think this is an awesome idea, and should have happened alot sooner.

My feeling is they should bring back a DK (Dishonorable Kill) system to Players, and not only civilian NPC's. This will make many players think twice before going on any type of ganking streak.

Just my 2 cents.

I used to be in the PvP server Stormscale in the EU what a mistake lol it was hell trying to lvl there so i transfered to another more quiet PvP server Dentarg EU and it was great fun but i soon got ganked my lvl 70s lol but i soon got a high enough lvl to leave STV and made my way to 70 after that i vowed to destroy all lvl 70 campers in STV just to make those low lvl toons happy and feel they are loved lol and let me just say ganking the lvl 70s is well more fun lol and the way they get pissed off and make a trial account just to whisper a few chosen words of hate towards i hit back and they shut up and move on with their pathetic lives lol and its great fun

I can say the the STV PVP had a big impact on how I play the game. I level a pally to about level 35, on executus (was in TRG presplit). I spent more time running back to my body after being ganked, to find the same problem of my body being camp, that I changed servers (and factions) since it made WoW no fun at all for me. Now that I have a 70 pally, I can't falthom the idea of spending my day in STV killing lowbie. As you said it must be the "it thing to do" for the new 70 kids who can't kill anything else.

/end rant

Bruderen

Argent Dawn

Sadly, I've been on both sides of the fence. In some ways I can see how Ganking may help fuel the need to crush Horde/Alliance later on. Camping the body hours on end I don't really see the use in. If I go in to gank, I usually tend to the let the Horde/Alliance of low level make the first move and attack me. Then I know he/she has a death wish and I will proceed to return the favor that had been bestowed upon me many times in westfall and other places.

Thinking on it brings me to a favorite quote that is a recurring theme in life. "There must be opposition in all things." The challenge of over coming odds that at the time are clearly stacked in someone else's favor may yield greater rewards later on down the road.

On another note, if you have any High level friends on the PvP server that enjoy ganking gankers, see if they wish to accompany you. The gankers may learn that it's not wise to mess with you.

"Pedro offers you his protection." -Napoleon D.

Vicious circle of stupidity, is pretty much what Lvl.Vs PvP has turned into.

"I was ganked in STV, I just hit level 70, lets go!"
Repeat ad infinitum.

I doubt it'll ever change, even with the release of Wrath, STV will still be a roiling gank fest from heck, but as stated, anyone with any experience/a friend with experience knows not to go there if they want to be (more/less) frustration free leveling.

Everybody gives me grief for playing on a PVE server.
I starter playing wow when vanilla beta came out and i played on a pvp server. Back then there was no language barrier so you could get in chat and say you needed help then gank whoever came to help you if they were opposite faction. Obviously they fixed that very quickly. Well i decided to stop playing for a while. When i came back to the game i figured hey ill play on a pvp server again. Well i didnt kno the rules had changed, it used to be like an unwritten rule about world PVP on a PVP server that most people consented to, you never attacked when running away and you usually had an unspoken agreement that you were going to duke it out. Starting the game over from lvl 1 was ok but when i hit the contested areas it seemed like people had no life and just wanted to grief each other. I figured screw this if i was to pvp ill get in BG and went to PVE realms i just want to say to all those people who play PVE servers if your friends say you play a carebear server tell them you have better things to do then kill somebody else while there trying to quest.

you people are completly missing the point of all of this for the reasons stated above i am on a RP server and it is defenly not fun getting gankedbut incase you dont know allready their is a reason why the horde and aliance are in defrant continents that reason horde and aliance hate each other what do you expect its called the world of warcraft not world of hugs kisses you say you understand the ganks that come with pvp server but i dont you do other wise you whould be hear bloging about all you lowbie horde out their you bettter show fase oround in a nutral area because i will kill you nothing prsinal just being a good player and to some that may mena a total jerk think what you want but if you dont like ganks move to pve server simple solution nothing good about a pvp servr anyways

I believe, that the chief reason people gank is because they were ganked while leveling, so since they were griefed they eel the need to grief other players.

The only time I will kill a low level is when they killed my alt, since I am on a pvp server it happens frequently. I simply log out one of my 70s in the zones I am leveling in, if I get ganked i log onto that 70 and kill the person that ganked me. I'll relog onto the alt and if the person continues to gank me, THEN I'll go out of my way to corpse camp them for hours or until they log so they can see what it feels like.

I think the problem is not the fact you're being ganked, I think the problem is camping. I'm all for fighting it out in a neutral zone, win or lose. But it's when they call their friends or they won't let you res, or they just plain come after you no matter where you are.
I mean, obviously it's all good and fun in PVP zones else there'd be no need for PVP servers, I like the fact it adds a little challenge to quests that can become mundane but there comes a point where the little challenge become a retarded ploy to stop you from questing.
I agree with several posts, it does want to make you switch servers, it does imply that they're just little kids who've had powerleveling services and you do have to log-off to avoid being camped for too long.

Here's my general rule of thumb: If your level's gray to me, I will wave and walk right by you, if its green or higher, you're dead. I have only ever (yes, I admit it) corpse camped once. My Blood Elf Paladin was minding his own business when I walk over the corpse of a human rogue to go mine some tin. Halfway through it, I hear the crash of buckshot as some bullets fly into my back. I turn around to find that he's three levels beneath me, at half health, and tried to shoot me with his gun. Had he backstabbed, sapped me, done anything else even remotely intelligent, I might have ganked him once and been on my merry way, but because he didn't, I felt it my duty to beat some of the n00b out of him. I killed him 9 times, chasing him to the doorstep of Dun Garok until he rezzed at the healer. At the end of the day, I got 20 honor and one hell of a laugh. For The Horde!

Hate to be ganked by 70's

I don't gank alliance I usually /wave or /hi maybe if they give honor i might kill but i don't camp them to be excepted on a pvp sever. Even if someone is camping me i don't go and get revenge on other people which will get them wanting to kill horde and so the chain continues.
I think the real reason for ganking and camping for hours on end is because it makes people feel good to bring pain to other people, have you ever laughed at someone because they kill themselves? It just the way people are is my guess, you feel bad and you spread your unhappiness with those around you.

First, I would like to share that I believe corpse camping IS lame ... unless they deserved it, for example, a 70 is corpse camping and in return gets corpse camped by 70(s) from the opposing faction.
As far as killing lowbies, it depends on my current objective. If there is a group of us heading from Southshore to Tarren Mill to start a mini war, then all members of the opposing faction are killed regardless of level.
Most of the time while leveling to 70 and was killed by ??, they went on about their business after they slaughtered me. It brought a sense of paranoia to leveling in certain areas, and imho, made it more interesting. I was leveling an alt in the Southshore area the other day when a bunch of 70 horde decided they wanted to own the city. Yeah, it wasn't too much fun dying every 30 seconds, but trying to sneak away from them so I could continue questing broke up the monotony of some of the quests.
Overall, I enjoy the PVP server I am on and enjoy the World PVP that occurs, there are plenty of quests out there to avoid certain "trouble" areas. So have fun and remember to watch your back ;)